Thabo Mbeki speaks out

Cde Thabo Mbeki

Cde Thabo Mbeki

Nduduzo Tshuma Bulawayo Bureau
FORMER South African president Cde Thabo Mbeki has said the British policy of regime change in Zimbabwe is not for the benefit of the local majority, but to serve the interests of the former colonial masters’ kith and kin.

Cde Mbeki, who brokered the Global Political Agreement (GPA) in 2009 which ushered in the inclusive Government that ran to 2013, said the British joined the chorus of criticising South Africa for “quiet” diplomacy on Zimbabwe as part of its regime change agenda.

“So you are not surprised when the UK continues to pay this particular attention to Zimbabwe. Their paying attention to Zimbabwe is not because they are interested in the future of Zimbabwe, but because they are interested in the welfare of their kith and kin. That’s what drove the British policy in Zimbabwe,” he said during a talk show with a South African radio station on Thursday night.

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The former South African president insisted that the stance South Africa took on Zimbabwe at the time was to allow the country to solve its own problems.

“In the context of resolving the conflict there (in Zimbabwe), the view we took then which I would still hold on to today, it really is the responsibility of the people of Zimbabwe to determine their future, it’s the responsibility of the people of South Africa to determine our future,” said Cde Mbeki.

He said South Africa refused to be pressured to apply external force on Zimbabwe because they believed that domestic problems needed domestic solutions.

He dismissed claims that South Africa, which was assisted by Zimbabwe to get its independence, did not do much in terms of intervention after the inconclusive March 29, 2008 elections.

“They talk about things that cannot be compared. An apartheid South Africa is very different from an Independent Zimbabwe. You say you want to impose sanctions against apartheid, of course you can, of course you must but to resolve a problem among the Zimbabweans in independent Zimbabwe, our view was and remains, let the people of Zimbabwe get together and sort out this thing among themselves,” Cde Mbeki said.

“Particularly because, given among other things, all my experience tells me, an external solution that gets imposed on the people, when something goes wrong, the locals won’t take ownership of it, they will say this thing is not ours.

“To make an agreement stick and so on you have to get the owners of the problem to own the solution and that’s what we said to Zimbabwe. In the end they entered into negotiations which we facilitated and they concluded what we called the Global Political Agreement.”

Mr Mbeki said they insisted that the solutions on Zimbabwe on the time would not come from any other place but Zimbabwe by Zimbabweans much to the chagrin of Britain and her allies.

“The problem we had, the reason you have this funny argument that we resorted to quiet diplomacy, diplomacy is diplomacy, once you campaign on a platform it’s no longer diplomacy but a political campaign. For instance the reason the British joined that chorus is because they wanted regime change,” he said.

Explaining the British attention on Zimbabwe, Mr Mbeki said the country along with South Africa, Algeria and Kenya had the biggest white European settler populations in the content.

“You still had a significant number of white people in Zimbabwe after Independence.

“Part of the argument used by Margaret Thatcher, when she was against the imposition of sanctions against the (Ian) Smith regime, was that, ‘we have a lot of kith and kin in Zimbabwe. If we impose sanctions which actually work, you will then get a half of a million or a quarter of a million Zimbabweans or whatever emigrating to England and suddenly we will be landed with a large refugee population coming from Zimbabwe (then Rhodesia).’

“This was Margaret Thatcher’s argument. ‘And we don’t want to do that and therefore that is why we don’t want to impose sanctions.’

Continued Mr Mbeki, “It was the same argument when Smith declared that UDI in 1965. The Prime Minister of the UK at the time was Harold Wilson of the Labour party and again the Africans took the position that this was a rebellion against the British Crown and wherever you had a rebellion against the British crown, the British crown has responded in order to suppress rebellion and let that happen to Zimbabwe.

“The argument of the British government at the time was this is kith and kin.”

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  • Taneta

    You have the nerve to say such bull Mr Mbeki. In 2008 the people of Zimbabwe spoke through their votes but you betrayed them. Look at what ECOWAS did in Gambia, that’s the way to go.

    • Cde Mzvinavhu(Prof)

      The people never spoke against their land reform to be reversed by MDC. Never! You are so daft not to connect what a former Justice Gubbay had said against our land reform and your MDC trajectory on our land reform. Unofunga kuti isu togwira vhu . Tohovona vana Tsvangirai voti kwahi imbomirai vayungu havasati vaguta vhu redu? Vhu redu ndiyo Zimbabwe yacho ka! Unofunga kuti ballot box ndo nyika . Ndiyo vhu? Warashika chana chatete! ECOWAS is by far not analogous to Zim issue! Hwisisa ipapo. Pamberi na Cde Mbeki ! Pasi nemhanduuuuuuuuu!

      • succuba

        The people never spoke against their land reform to be reversed by MDC. – (fakey)

        Give me a link where the MDC-T said that they would reverse land reform… YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.

        • Cde Mzvinavhu(Prof)

          see my response above

          • succuba

            See my response above

        • Cde Samanyanga Dotito

          You are not serious not seeing the link between MDC`s opposition to the land reform and the revolutionary anger provoked in 2008 that caused many MDC supporters to be victims in the political violence. Compare that situation and the 2013 peaceful elections when the land reform had been entrenched or baptized in our new constitution. To threaten our land reform is to ask for violent reaction from liberation heroes still alive. Be warned and guided accordingly.

          • Mhofu Cahaiyo

            You are very violent and silly person. You are one of the people who caused mayhem in 2008. But strangely, none of the top leaders shed any blood. Be equally warned and guided accordingly – stop being used to commit political violence!

          • mandevu

            or forced into existence more correctly

      • Mhofu Cahaiyo

        You are getting so irritating, Prof! Do not argue for the sake of arguing. You do not acknowledge that people were murdered for supporting MDC as if it was an illegal party – and you claim to be a Professor – maybe Professor of irrationality and violence! You are so fake and insensitive

  • succuba

    Any machinations to install MDC , so that it reverses our land reform was not acceptable – (fakey)

    Give me a link where the MDC-T said that they would reverse land reform…

    YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.

    The West had poured in funds to install MDC – (fakey)

    *LINK (provide proof here!)

    YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.

    Why do you tell lies (fakey)?… why do you continually make a fool of yourself?

    Are you not embarrassed?

    • Cde Mzvinavhu(Prof)

      1) Your sellout party MDC allied with Boers when we embarked our revolutionary land reform .
      CCNTV gave a video report in 2001 where your leader Tsvangison received a donation from a Banket white farmer(Boer). This Boer we later kicked out from the farm stated clearly why their Boers` Commercial Farmers Union was financial supporting MDC ,i.e that MDC would return farms to Boers. Your MDC leader was accompanied by a beautiful young MDC lady Grace Kwinjethat day he foolishly smilied receiving money from the Boer. That video is there in the CNNTV archive if you can Google it.
      2) ZBC has May Day rally report (in its archives), at Rufaro Stadium where your MDC leader threatened to violently remove Cde Mugabe`s government. After that rally your leader flew to SA to discuss with Boers we dislodged. He only came back in a private aircraft belonging to a Boer who was then farming in Beatrice , before we dislodged the Boer.
      3)The British PM Blair stated categorically in the UK parliament that Her Majesty`s government was working closely with MDC to effect regime in Zimbabwe.The funding was done via the Westminster Foundation. Since the 2013 elections, the UK regime has since stopped financing the sellouts. The US govt was considering financing MDC if Biti led it. Unfortunately Biti`s political fortunes have since dwindled. He was invited to the US to attend the Democrats Convention before the elections that brought Trump. Trump is less keen in interfering in foreign nations over who should govern. He believes nations should decide and choose their own leaders.
      I Down with sanctions and regime change agendas.

      • succuba

        1) Your sellout party MDC allied with Boers when we embarked our revolutionary land reform . CCNTV gave a video report in 2001 where your leader Tsvangison received a donation from a Banket white farmer(Boer). This Boer we later kicked out from the farm stated clearly why their Boers` Commercial Farmers Union was financial supporting MDC ,i.e that MDC would return farms to Boers. Your MDC leader was accompanied by a beautiful young MDC lady Grace Kwinjethat day he foolishly smilied receiving money from the Boer. That video is there in the CNNTV archive if you can Google it.

        Morgan received a donation from a Zimbabwean farmer
        (colour irrelevant unless you are a racist). Are the MDC not allowed to receive donations?

        That’s the crux of the matter, the rest is utter propaganda from your rantings here.

        If that video is the CNNTV archive as you say then I can’t find it… why won’t you produce this “video”?

        2) ZBC has May Day rally report (in its archives), at Rufaro Stadium where your MDC leader threatened to violently remove Cde Mugabe`s government. After that rally your leader flew to SA to discuss with Boers we dislodged. He only came back in a private aircraft belonging to a Boer who was then farming in Beatrice , before we dislodged the Boer.

        I accept that Morgan said this, but it is nothing more than sabre rattling at a rally, try to recall all the rants of Mugabe in the past… get my drift.

        It was a soundbite, nothing more, nothing less.

        3) The British PM Blair stated categorically in the UK parliament that Her Majesty`s government was
        working closely with MDC to effect regime in Zimbabwe.The funding was done via the Westminster Foundation. Since the 2013 elections, the UK regime has since stopped financing the sellouts. The US govt was considering financing MDC if
        Biti led it. Unfortunately Biti`s political fortunes have since dwindled. He was invited to the US to attend the Democrats Convention before the elections that brought Trump. Trump is less keen in interfering in foreign nations over who should govern. He believes nations should decide and choose their own leaders. I Down with sanctions and regime change agendas.

        That rant was brokered by non other than Mbiki himself in an interview on Aljazeera TV, it was then followed up by this newspaper (I use the term “newspaper” loosely) to pad out the propaganda… give me a verifiable link that this is true and that funding by the British Government was provided.

        You really are one gullible zandroid. Where is the link that MDC say they would reverse land reform?

        YOU ARE LYING AGAIN

        Let me be very clear on this, this will be the first and last time I will say it… I do not support MDC.

        As an aside… where you at the airport this morning with the brass band and a whole bunch of sycophants?

        • Cde Mzvinavhu(Prof)

          If you dont know how to research for such historical videos, then you are not well educated.Your attempt always to say the West never imposed sanctions that are negatively affecting our economy speaks volumes about your little unschooled brain. Why do you keep trying to reach my academic height you fool. Sorry that your party never , MDC totally failed to gain any mileage from the sanctions as expect by all stooges like you, You now deny your politically losing MDC outfit. Kkkkkii! Yes I was at the Harare airport to receive our dear leader this morning. So what you idiot?

          • succuba

            Can you get that vid?….kkikkikik you are not well educated…kikikikiki

            Reach you academic height…kkkki… I wouldn’t stoop that low… real professors debate, you just scurry down the nearest rat-hole when challenged.

            Now tell me where the MDC said it would reverse land reform!!!

            You are an utter disgrace and fraud (fakey)

  • Cde Mzvinavhu(Prof)

    Yes he was not plausible on his Aids views, but not on Zim politics, where he was progressive and revolutionary to our satisfaction. Down with your MDC!

    • Mhofu Cahaiyo

      Honestly, Cde Mbeki did very well by letting gullible Zimbabweans butcher their own people – that’s what he meant by letting Zimbabweans solve their own problems.

    • mandevu

      Pansi ne Zanu PF

  • SlackJawedYokel

    Too much talk, but nothing comes out of it! If it was a domestic issue, then why were you shuttling between zim and sa? Are you a Zimbabwean?

  • Tachiona Machaka

    Making noise does not solve issues succuba.I have enough evidence to prove you vulnerable to dishonesty debate. If you are not a good farmer how could you become one through writing falsehoods cde succuba? Ask your former classmates where they are now, after hard work of course! Maybe you are eying for the moderator^s post so you can mark who is either online or offline.I guess you have good friends to share your aspirations with but do not dream of Chancellor Avenue, my pal, kure ku STATE HOUSE…….

    • succuba

      .I have enough evidence to prove you vulnerable to dishonesty debate. – Tachy

      Lay this evidence here Tachy… I am calling you out!!

      Either put up or run away with your tail between your legs….. which is it to be… we are all watching …

      Do you want to be labeled along side (fakey)?

  • Cecil Roars

    He is a genius of a man, a president too. His thinking was that the political leadership in Zimbabwe viewed each other as Zimbabweans and that they had common goal of taking Zimbabwe forward. That has proved to be not the case at all. These are greedy animals, like lions, leopards, Cheetahs and other big cats, they cannot work together. It was a shame that we revealed our greediness to him by our own actions. Zimbabwe was supposed to emerge from the GNU stronger but the opposite happened.

  • mandevu

    hows the farm going?